Most people within the church do not realize what the love of God is. To most people it means having brotherly love be more righteous than marital love, at least in the long run, and God's love gets defined as holiness by most as well. Instead of looking at all of the weakness' of the church, and what they believe, I would rather give the easy and light answer, in regards to things such as Tool and A perfect circle. There is one testimony, of Naaman, which shows that they are saved through the same testimonies that the NT gives regarding salvation, whether or not they come right out and do nothing but praise music from now on. But now I would like to say, that just as Jesus is the desire of the nations, giving beauty for ashes, and spiritual testimonies as gifts- that the church, though they claim to put God and Jesus, and the 'HOLY' Spirit first, do not actually walk the talk they talk. And here is just one example: so now the Christians who would say that Tool and A perfect circle can not be saved, and would only be saved if they tried to not make anything else that wasn't up front unto Christ- these same Christians still do things like go to Baseball games and so on; and I don't see anywhere in the Bible that says that competition is good. No matter what anyone says, and regardless of other examples as well. People read James, and they gain their initiative, and they think they have the answer, as they even try to follow the Pope and the Catholics, thinking that the church is going to purify the world before Christ comes back. In regards to Tool and A perfect circle, we even have another testimony in Nineveh being saved. And in the OT, the only way to be saved was to follow the Law of Moses, and the Ninevites repented apart from the Law of Moses, in the same way that I am backing up Tool and A perfect circle, even though I also was hypocritical in my prior judgments, but as I said before, perhaps they will forgive me, and still benefit from the testimonies I spoke of. It may not be so awesome for people to read about Abraham, the father of the faith, and find in the Book of Jasher, that even after having learned from one of Noah's sons, he went into thinking about the day and night being godlike and supreme. And in all truth, James' letter in the NT, was actually written to people who had previously followed the Law, therefore when James gave the verse about faith being perfected by works, even though Paul said that no one is justified by the works of the Law, we can see how James gave beauty for ashes to those who were legalistic. I think that Abraham, learning from one of Noah's sons, may have been taught spiritual testimonies, and things such as love; in which there are numerous examples, and a broad picture; just as David said: "Your commandment is exceedingly broad."